Hereditary (2018)

Prepare to be led through a spine-chilling exploration of the horror film "Hereditary". This episode doesn’t merely skim the surface, but rather, meticulously dissects each character, every horrifying event, and the myriad of complex themes within the movie. We kick things off with an inquisitive look at the unusual family dynamics, the strange and eerie events, and the deeply layered themes of grief and coping mechanisms that make Hereditary an unforgettable horror experience.

The mysteries unravel as we guide you through the haunting journey of Annie and her family, parsing out the strange occurrences from the chilling seance to the traumatic accidents, the unsettling dreams, and the bizarre connection to a sinister cult. Listen closely as we delve beyond the surface level of this chilling narrative and examine the profound implications of every bone-chilling narrative. We'll leave you questioning the terrifying supernatural encounters and questioning the boundaries of reality.

In the final part of the episode, we delve into the horrifying climax of the film, unearthing shocking revelations about Annie's mother and her ties to a cult. The tension reaches its peak as we analyze the terrifying supernatural events that wreak havoc on the family's lives. So brace yourself as we tear down the veil, revealing the sinister undertone that permeates the film and pushes us to question the very nature of family, fear, and the beyond. Prepare for a discussion that is as riveting as it is unnerving – and remember, sometimes the scariest monsters are the ones within us. 

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Transcript

Travis: 0:00

Hello and welcome to another episode of Movies, colon, They're pretty good. I'm your host, Travis Dudding, and today we are talking about one of my favorite scary movies, horror movies, horror genre. Probably, in my opinion and this is just to date, from what I've seen, probably the scariest movie I've ever seen. Just nothing compares to this one. So let's get right into it.

Travis: 0:32

Hereditary 2018, Ari Aster, newcomer on the scene. He's done three feature films and, in my opinion, all three perfect. Early on in the podcast, I covered Midsommar, which was his second film. After this one, he's got one other one just came out earlier this year Beau Is Afraid and that one is very different. To be honest, I did not like it the very first time I saw it, but just couldn't stop thinking about it, went to see it again and loved it. Just loved it all the way through. It's just very different than Hereditary and Midsommar obviously. Without further ado, let's get into it.

Travis: 1:23

We open on an obituary for main character Annie's mom, Annie, played by Toni Collette. It just talks about the funeral arrangements and who she's survived by and everything like that. I didn't write the whole thing down, but first frame of the film. Then, in the opening shot, we get a view of the house where they live. You see the tree house out in the front yard. Go into the house. You see a room full of miniatures and models. There's including a model of the house that they are living in. We get a slow zoom on one of the bedrooms of the model house. It transitions from being a model to the actual bedroom inside. This is Peter's bedroom. Peter's the son. There's two kids Peter older, son, Charlie the daughter, younger. Then Steve is the dad. Annie is the mom. We see that they're getting ready for the funeral for Annie's mom. They're looking for Charlie. We learned that she slept inside the tree house, which is apparently something she does a lot it gets in trouble for because it's starting to get cold. I know it filmed in Utah. I don't know if that's where it's supposed to be taking place. It gets pretty cold there.

Travis: 3:16

We cut to the funeral. Annie's given the eulogy. She's talking about how private her mom was. She didn't have, as far as Annie knew, didn't have much of a social life. She's very ritualistic and kept to her ways. We noticed, and so does Charlie, when they're doing the viewing of the body. There's an open casket, the grandma's wearing a necklace with a certain symbol on it that'll come back later. As she's looking at the necklace, she looks up and there's a not older but middle-aged man just smiling at her. It's a really weird smile for a funeral or for life in general, just a weird smile.

Travis: 4:26

We also see that Charlie has this tick where she does a little tongue click with her mouth all the time. It's never really outwardly said, she's on the spectrum, they never really say, or is she just a little different, just keep to herself. They never say one way or the other, but she's a bit of an outcast and treated that way a little bit and protected a little bit by the family. She has this tick where she does the click sound with her tongue all the time. We get our first glimpse of that. She's eating a chocolate bar and that's like the kind of panics like hey, that doesn't have nuts in it, right, because we don't have the EpiPen, so we know that she has a nut allergy. Then we get a weird thing. Someone is in the line for the viewing of the body, puts their finger in this little bottle with an oil or something or lip balm, but something rubs her finger in the bottle and then puts it on the grandma's body, on her lips, just interesting. It's not like it's the someone in the family, it's like one of the random friends and stuff. The family gets back to the house, steve's making sure. It's just kind of ask Andy, hey, how are you doing? She's like I feel weird, I feel like I should be sadder. Is that bad? Then I was kind of like I get it. So we can see that the relationship with her mom was a little strained, but we haven't got any of the major details on that yet.

Travis: 6:33

We see Charlie in her room. She has a bunch of like sculptures that she makes out of like found objects, like she's like a little MacGyver Da Vinci pretty much, and then she also does a lot of drawings too and we see like a few of her sketches and stuff like that. Annie comes in to talk to Charlie just to see like how she's doing with everything and Charlie says like about the grandma that she oh cause Annie says you know you were always grandma's favorite and Charlie says she wanted me to be a boy. And Annie, you know, kind of questions it, but they kind of move past that. And you know she says something reassuring but I forget what exactly she says. And then Charlie says who's going to take care of me? And like, what do you talk about? Like I'm here, it's like no, like when you die, and and he's like, well, you know your dad would take care of you, peter would take care of you, you know it'll be okay, but like you don't have to worry about that anytime soon, basically. And then just Annie's trying to be more reassuring and just telling her story. Like you know, you never cried as a baby. Like like ever, like even when you were born you never cried. And then, like, as she's comforting her and just like sitting with her, she like looks behind the bed, on the wallpaper and there's a word carved into the wallpaper and it's like saton-y, it's S-A-T-O-N-Y. I wrote it down. But Annie just clocks this but doesn't say anything. And you know there's not, there's not enough of an expression to read like what she's thinking about. That you know. But that'll come into play a little later.

Travis: 8:40

She goes up into I don't know she's in like maybe like a spare room it's not the attic and it's not her mom's room, but there's a bunch of boxes and stuff. And she goes through a box of her mom's stuff and finds this, this book. That's what it is. No, it's not. It's just stuff that she got from her mom Because it's a. It's a book that her mom gave her called Notes on Spirituality, and there's a postcard in the front of the book and the postcard kind of has like a like hey, like I'm sorry things are weird between us but and I'm sorry, going through a hard time but everything's going to be fine in the end and basically, like our challenges will reap rewards in the long run, that type of thing. You know. So it sounds like very religious, but you're kind of you can't really pin down what exactly. And when she goes to leave the room and she turns off the light, she sees like a ghost of her mom, like not like see through, not like an apparition, but like her mom is like there in the room and she notices it, turns the light back on and she's gone, you know. So she's a little like freaked out about that.

Travis: 10:09

We see Charlie in class. She's building like a little sculpture thing, like she's got like a like a little travel size bottle of the. What is it? The gold bond powder? You know, it's like an empty bottle of gold bond, then the travel size and she's like turning it into like a guy, like with like a paper clips for arms and stuff like that. And the teacher comes by like hey, like how about we do that later? You know we could do that, not during class. You know it's fine that you're into making little toys, but let's pay attention in class.

Travis: 10:53

Right after she gets like and I don't want to say scolded, because she's not like it's not, she's not like mean about it or anything, it was like not just a nice reminder, but right after she gets told like hey, you need to pay attention, a bird slams into the window of the classroom and like a real loud thud like and you know everyone notices and kind of a couple screams and stuff, and but Charlie just doesn't even look at the window. She just like keeps staring forward and she's staring at a pair of scissors on the teacher's desk. Then we cut to Peter in his class and you know he's texting with a friend and there's a girl sitting in front of them. That's like kind of throwing hints, like and she mentioned something about, like she's tying it into whatever the teacher's talking about, but basically says like maybe people need to be like, maybe people need to pay attention to signs that are right in front of them, like an obvious hints and stuff like that, and then gives Peter a look like yeah, like I mean you, like I'm flirting with you, like why don't you notice that type of thing?

Travis: 12:07

Then cut to Charlie outside of school. She is, has the scissors, she is finding the bird that hit the window and is dead on the hedges and she cuts the birds head off with the scissors and you know, just normal school day stuff. Then, after she cuts the birds head off, she looks across the street and like almost like she felt like someone watching her and she turns around and there's just a lady like standing across the street just watching her, and this isn't a woman we've seen before or anything, it's not one of the family members, doesn't say anything, and just she's just there watching. So, back of the house, annie's walking through the house, she goes by her mom's room, which and the doors open, and she kind of goes in there and there's like this triangle like carved or drawn on the floor Near the bed, and she didn't really spend too much time in there and then she closes the door and says like hey, like Steve, did you open the door and he's like no, I didn't open the door. Like yeah, like maybe one of the kids did, but they're like all right, like, and then they go and find the key to lock the door from the outside and and he's just like, I know it's silly, but it just would make me feel better if that room is closed off and Steve's like yeah, like no need to apologize, like I get it. Do you know, don't worry about it. Just like super understanding, as after he, like during this conversation, his cell phone starts to ring. He answers it and it's the cemetery calling, like we see it on the caller ID and so he's talking to them and we only hear like his side of the conversation. So he's like, but he's like very hushed because he doesn't want to hear. And he's like desecrated, like what does that mean? Like so apparently the mother's grave has been desecrated by someone, but we don't get too much information at that point. That's all we hear. And he says she's going to go see a movie and then leaves on her own.

Travis: 14:50

So that's the group session where for people coping with loss, and but she's just like embarrassed about it, I guess, so she doesn't want anyone to know that that's what she's doing. So in the group they like someone's. We hear, like the end of someone's story. The leader says like OK, like you know, we have some new faces like what anyone like to introduce themselves like no pressure, but if you feel comfortable and want to tell your story, like now's the time to do it. Annie raises her hand and then kind of hesitates and she's like, oh no, like, never mind like.

Travis: 15:35

But then changes her mind again and starts to talk about her mom and she talks about their strained relationship. She talks about, like the kind of pressure that her mom put on her and how, like when Charlie was born, like she didn't want to Feed or like she like kind of took over and kind of like was very pushy and would be like no, like you, like she didn't want Annie to feed her, like she wanted to feed her herself. Maybe. Maybe she says that when she's talking to Charlie actually, anyway, that doesn't matter because and then she starts to talk about the rest of her family. She talks about how her father Starved himself to death, basically, and how her brother committed suicide, hung himself in the mom's room, blamed the mom for it and said that in the note that he was, that she was trying to put people inside of him, and they don't really clarify that. And then what else? Yeah, so she just like unloads like all this like very heavy stuff, and then there's like the kind of an awkward silence at the end and Everyone's just kind of like doesn't really know what to say to any of that because it's you know, it's intense, like that's a lot of stuff, and and then she also just talks about how she's conflicted. It's like I feel like I should be sad, but like because she was my mom, but here's all the reasons that that I maybe don't you know.

Travis: 17:36

So I cut to Charlie in her room and she's a doing like another craft, I think this now she has the head from the bird that she decapitated and she's putting that on a figure. But while she's doing this at her desk, a, there's like a weird light thing that happens like throughout the Throughout the movie and it's kind of hard to describe it Like without showing it, but it's almost like it's throughout the whole room and then it kind of comes to like a finite point like around Charlie and it's almost like it was getting her attention and she gets up and goes outside and Almost like she's like following something that we can't see or hear, cut to Peter asking his mom if he can borrow the car so he can go to a party. He's saying that it's just like a barbecue that the school's putting on. Then Annie asked like like does does Charlie want to go? And he's like I don't know, like Well, did you ask her? Is like no, like I'll ask her, you know, but I don't think she's gonna want to go.

Travis: 19:01

Then we see Charlie outside and she has followed this light or whatever to Kind of like the top of a hill or she's got a little bit down the hill, but she's looking further down the hill and she could see what looks to be her grandma, like sitting amongst like a bunch of flames, like not that she's on fire, but like there's flames around her, and she's just like watching. And then Annie comes like hey, like what are you doing out here barefoot, like you're gonna get sick! And Charlie's like I want grandma. And then, like this upsets Annie for whatever reason and maybe she's frustrated and she's like you're going to this party with your brother, like and, and the Peters like yeah, like that's fine, like you know whatever, you know he's, he knows that Charlie's not gonna have a good time and you know, and it's like it's kind of refreshing because he's not like fighting it. You know, like like it might, might happen in a movie and that might be like the tropey thing to do, but he really doesn't like fight it, he's like, he's like being logical about it, it's like she, he knows that she's not gonna have a good time but you know he's still gonna take her because it's, you know, this is the big brother. And so they're going to the party. On the way there we see a telephone pole just on this like wide open road, and but they focus on the telephone pole because the symbol from the mom's, from the grandma's necklace is on the telephone pole. So they're just like focusing on the symbol, like okay, that's weird, you know, wonder what that means.

Travis: 21:03

So, showing that the party Bunch of people there there's people in the kitchen they're chopping nuts to make a cake, presumably Peter is like, sees that girl from his class and just kind of talking to her and he's like hey, you smoke weed. And like, and she's like, yeah, there's a bong in the other room, like, let's go. And it goes upstairs and then Tells Charlie. It's like hey, like you just want to hang out down here for a sec and I'll be back in a few minutes and like will hang out. And she's like I got alright, like whatever. And he's like, hey, like they're handing out cake and she's like, not to everybody, it's like, yeah, like it's, it's for everybody. Like just go stand there and they'll hand you a piece of cake.

Travis: 21:50

So she goes to get a piece of cake and he goes upstairs to smoke and we see her eating the cake. And then we See her eating the cake and then we See her kind of like having a little bit of trouble Swallowing it down because she's allergic to nuts. She didn't see them chopping the nuts, we saw them chopping the nuts and we know she's allergic from the you know Chekhov's chocolate bar at the beginning. And so we see her starting to have an allergic reaction and she's, like you know, getting some water to see if that helps. And it's not. So obviously she goes.

Travis: 22:30

She goes upstairs to get Get Peter and she's already starting to gasp and she's like, like I can't breathe, like it feels like my throat's getting bigger and like, so Peter's like right away, like oh, my god, like let's go like Rushes her out. He's like carrying her out to the car, gets her in the back seat, gets in the driver's seat and just pulls out and he's speeding down the highway like they're like this house was in the middle of nowhere. So he's just trying to get her to a hospital and just like rushing and rushing because he doesn't have an epi-pen with them Just speeding down the highway. She's like in the back seat, like just like gasping and gasping, and she's like pulling out her neck and everything and she rolls down the window to, you know, get some more air. And then she, but she's like sticking her head out the window. And Peter's like, hey, like, don't, like, don't do that, like it's okay, like it's gonna be okay.

Travis: 23:34

We're almost to the hospital and as he's like looking in the rear view mirror, like trying to like Calm her down, he glances back to the road. There is a dead deer in the middle of the road. He swerves to miss the dead deer. Uh hit, swerves out into the shoulder. We see the telephone pole coming Towards, charlie, who is has her head sticking out the window, and then we hear a thud and we see the, the brake slam and just Silence. All you hear, is the engine of the car running and Just and peter, just like and just silence, that's it. It's just him breathing, and but we know what happened, he knows what happened and he just is in complete shock, as is the audience, as was I. The first time I saw it I Could not believe it. Like, oh my god, like she just Like Whacked her head on this telephone pole in a speeding car and Now there's no noise coming from the back seat and he, like, he does like a glance in the rear view mirror, but then like is just like calming himself down, like because he's in shock and he's just like it's okay, it's okay, like he's just like lying himself, like it's okay, like all right, and then just slowly starts driving again. And we see him pull into the driveway and he gets out of the car, goes in the house.

Travis: 25:25

You hear the. We hear annie's voice from her bedroom saying like, oh good, they're home. You know, you know, just as a parent, like my kids were out, they're home now they're still in the car. They're home now, they're safe, now I can rest easy, you know. And we see him Go to his room, just get into bed Fully clothed in the clothes because he's just in shock. He's lays down and like he's not sleeping, though, like he's just laying there. We see him With his eyes like wide open. We see it Transition to daytime and it's the morning. We can hear annie getting ready to go out, run errands, whatever, and it's it's, and it's just staying on peter's face like wide eyes, wide open, like it's still in shock, obviously like as anyone would be.

Travis: 26:29

And, uh, we can hear, like we can hear annie's voice from her bedroom saying like Leave the house, open the car door, get in the car, start the car, and it's quiet for a little bit, and then just her screams. And it's just, and the camera's just staying on Peter the whole time, like we're just seeing it from, like we are him in the scenario. We're feeling the same exact tension that he is. It's crazy, like it's, it's indescribable. It's like it's the the maybe the most tense I've ever felt in a movie.

Travis: 27:08

Um, and still, like, still, when I watch it, I'm just completely captivated by this whole scene. It's so horrible and perfect at all at the same time and we hear the mom's reaction and it's just gut-wrenching. It's horrible, it's, it's like man. And then it's just transitioning from her screaming outside to Charlie's head in the middle of the highway covered an ants. So all we knew was that she hit her head and was definitely dead like that. You knew that. But yeah, her head was just laying in the road. It's daylight, it's covered in ants, covered in blood, everything.

Travis: 28:07

And then transition from that to Annie on the crying on the bedroom floor, just with Steve there trying to console her as much as anyone can, and he's obviously going through it too. That's still, that's his daughter, you know. And Annie's just screaming like Like I, I just want to die, I just want to die, I can't live, I can't. You know it. It's yeah, and it's just, and it just the. The crying continues as it transitions to Charlie's funeral and it's the burial and we see the, the casket going down and Annie's still screaming. It's like the. It's the same continuous screaming and crying that transitions all the way through this whole thing, uh, and the camera lowers with the casket into the ground and then Just transitions out of that whole Horrific bleak, like One of the most depressing scenes and I'm not gonna say it's the most depressing there's, there's some worse stuff, yeah, but man, very, very heavy, and I gotta say like if there's one thing Ari Aster does the best, it's capturing Grief and loss and sudden loss, because it's different, like it's a different loss when so when a relative is sick For a while and I'm not saying it's not hard to lose somebody that you love, when it's like Been a long time coming you know someone has cancer, they've had it for years and One day they are gone.

Travis: 30:13

But You've had the time to prepare for it and it's still hard, that's not easy at all. A lot of times you're there with them, you see them deteriorate. That's its own hard thing, that's very difficult. But it's a whole different thing when they're just gone. Like one day they're just gone, uh, like a freak accident like this in hereditary, the Sister's suicide in mid-summer In the beginning of the movie, like those are very sudden things You're not really prepared for.

Travis: 30:52

Maybe a little bit more with the Suicide, especially in that case, in that movie where there were a lot, where there were some signs, you know, there was obviously a fear like hey, like she's doing this a lot, she's saying these kinds of things a lot. You know, but that's not always the case either with the suicide. And then you also are probably telling yourself a lot like it's okay. You know, like the, the coping mechanism was being like, oh, like, she just always does this. You know, like these empty threats and stuff it's not always an empty threat, they're, one day it could be real, you know. But yeah, I'm just saying like, I know I got off on a whole tangent Um, because I can't relate to uh, losing someone, uh, to a sudden loss, and that's why I know how Good Ari Aster is at capturing that, because when I'm seeing those scenes and I'm watching them with my family, we know like, oh, my god, like he, oh he, he knows what he's doing, like he's showing it very accurately, like, and we also get to see how Different people process this Singular event.

Travis: 32:27

We see Annie just completely inconsolable, wanting to die. Just, there is no hope, there is no future. You know, just that was her life and it's gone now, at that point when her daughter died. We see Peter in complete shock, immobile, nonverbal, just shut down, just completely shut down as a functioning person. And we see Steven, the dad, just trying to keep everyone together, including himself, like he's just the one who stepped up, as like I'm the one who has to hold it all together and we see that like has its effects too. You know, and I'm not saying that there's any one way to handle something like that, because there isn't it's a terrible thing and Like, you just have to do what's best for you and yeah, anyways, back to the movie. Sorry, that was a long, tangent, uh, but yeah, just I I've it. Just those scenes just affected me so well, like Because there was a level of relating to it. Anyways, back to the movie.

Travis: 34:00

Um, we see, uh, annie's been Kind of in order to, I think, feel a little closer to charlie. She's sleeping in the treehouse. She's got some heat lamps out there which give off this like red light out of the window, because you know the red from the heat lamps, um, and that's like that's her way of coping with things. Uh, we see peter in school and he's just like completely zoned out. Um, we cut to him with, uh, his friends under the bleachers and he's probably just trying to feel like Normal and whatnot. So he's uh under the bleachers smoking weed. Uh, the other guys are all laughing, he's kind of quiet. He uh, he takes a hit and he starts to like choking on it a little bit and starts to say, like you could tell he's like struggling and he can't breathe and he's like gasping and stuff and it's almost like echoing like what charlie went through before she died and he just like Just breaks down, crying like and like holding hands with one of his friends and stuff and like just Trying to get through it. You know, just sobbing and everything uh, uh, cut to later, oh yeah.

Travis: 35:31

And then we see him get home from school. He rode his bike home, uh, he gets there like after it's dark, so he's probably like Killing time and like dreading going home and we see him. We can see, we can see that annie is in the car and she's like kind of laid down a little bit, like the seats like leaned back, um, and she's just sitting in the car, cars off, but she's just sitting in there. Uh, we don't know if peter sees her or not, but we see him lay the bike down and he's standing there like like he has to like psych himself up and we see him like clenches fists and like kind of like squeeze like open clothes, open clothes, his fists, like he's psyching himself up like to be home. You know where he has to deal with what happened. You know around the people that were also affected by what happened. But once he does, like you know, get the energy to go inside, as soon as the door closes and he starts the car and she drives off.

Travis: 36:55

We see her get to the parking lot of the grief counseling group session. She's debating whether she wants to go in and she ultimately decides that she's not gonna go in and starts to pull around to leave and then is stopped by a lady before she can leave the parking lot and we learn her name is Joan and she's like hey, like I saw you at one of the other sessions and I haven't seen you in a while. And Annie's like going to leave and she's like, well, like, because Joan asked like about you know, if she's doing okay with her mother, and she's, and Annie kind of hesitates and then comes out with it like well, I just lost my daughter. And Joan like, oh, like I'm so sorry and so, and he's, like you know, like I'm just not, I'm not ready for this and I've just forgot something at home, so I'm gonna go get the thing, and it goes to like drive off. But then Joan says I lost my son, and so Annie's like okay, like this is someone I can relate with. You know, like we've both lost our children, so like I'm more willing to talk to this person directly. You know it's a easier way to go through this. And she so Joan explains a little more that she lost her son and her ground son and they both drowned. So that's tough, you know. And Annie's like, oh my gosh, like I'm so sorry, like that's so horrible. Like her grandson was only seven, you know. She asked like how old Charlie was. She tells her, and so she goes back home.

Travis: 39:00

She gets home late, she gets into the bedroom and or she's in bed with Steve, but then she gets out of bed and she's like, oh, like I can't sleep, and he's like you're gonna go sleep outside and again, huh, and it's just like what are you talking about when it's like we're taking the blanket? And he's just like, well, like I'm just worried about you, and she's just like this just the only way I can sleep, and I have the heat lamp, so like it's fine, you know, and it just it sucks, because you know he's going through. He's going through it too. It's the same event for him and I'm sure, and but everyone has different processes for grieving and like he apparently needs, like her, to be there with them, but she just needs to be alone. You know, at least that's what they think. You know each of them thinks like this is what I need, this, but I need, you know, and it could be right. But you know, it's just a hard situation. Obviously, peters in his room and he hears Charlie, because he hears the sound, and you know it's like looking around but you know nothing.

Travis: 40:25

Then we see the the mail slot in the door open and there's a bunch of mail packed in there. You know. So either they haven't been checking it or it's just the mail has already come, but this flyer is coming separate. And then we see the flyer and it's for a open seance, is all it says, with like the details and everything. You see Annie going over to Joan's apartment. Joan had given her her contact info, address, phone number, all that. She goes to see Joan in there. When she's knocking on the door she no like looks down and notices Joan's welcome mat and it's like you could tell it's like a homemade one and she's, like you know, like I saw your welcome mat and my mom used to make ones like that, and Joan's like, oh, like that's cool, you know.

Travis: 41:30

Then we cut to them at the table and Annie is telling the story about how she found Charlie's body in the back of the car and she's just like, and we hear say, like first I noticed that, you know, the smell was off, like that's the first thing she noticed, like something doesn't smell right. And then then she looked in the back and saw her body and then how she didn't have a head, but she knew it was Charlie because you know, for hands and her fingernails, like each leg, and it was Charlie's clothes. You know, yeah, and just you know. Obviously she's breaking down crying when she's telling this and everything. Then Joan asked, like how is your relationship with Peter, your son? And that's where we find out that their relationship prior to this accident was already strained.

Travis: 42:37

Anyway. She says, like well, I sleepwalk, and one time I was sleepwalk. Like I wake up and I'm in Peter's room and I'm covered in paint thinner, and so is Peter and I'm holding a. I'm holding the can of paint thinner and I'm holding a box of matches, and like she says, like I woke up and I realized, like what was happening, I blew the match out, like immediately, like. And then she's like oh and then, but Peter just like can't forgive me, like I was sleepwalking, I didn't do it on purpose and all this stuff, but just very like she never says that, like she apologized, maybe she did, but she's very like what's his problem? Like why can't he just forgive me? And it's obviously like a hugely traumatic thing, you know, for him. But it's obviously like, okay, like that's a little understandable that this relationship is strained, you know.

Travis: 43:55

So cut to Annie, back in her office. She's making the miniatures. I don't know if I mentioned before, but the reason she builds these miniatures is like that's her job, like she's artist, she makes miniatures and she has this gallery show coming up which has been postponed because of the two major deaths in her life, you know. But she's making a miniature of the accident scene of when Charlie died. And we see her like there's the telephone pole, there's the car, there's the severed head in the road and stuff. And Steven comes in while she's doing this and just is like a halt, that like why, why are you doing this? Like what, if Peter sees this? And she's like all defensive, like it's not about him, it's just a neutral view of the accident and stuff, and then Steven's just like you know, just make sure he doesn't see this like I know you have your way of coping, but just come on, like think about how this is gonna make him feel, you know, and she's very dismissive about it too.

Travis: 45:13

So we cut to them having dinner. It's just completely silent, except for like the sounds of them eating and the forks and everything like that, and just very, very tense. It reminds me a lot of like the, the dinner in Breaking Bad, when Jesse's at the house and when Skyler comes home and it's the three of them, and it's just super tense and awkward. Then Peter finally breaks the, breaks the ice and just like you, okay, mom, like something wrong. And then she just leads to her just like completely berating him and like like even if I said like you just give me that smug look or whatever, like I like no matter what I do is gonna be wrong, and everything like that. And so she just like completely snaps on them. And then Peter hits her with like oh cuz. She's like why can't you just like admit, admit what you've done wrong? Like nobody admits that they're wrong, or blah, blah, blah. And then so Peter hits her with like what about you, mom. She didn't want to go to that party. You're the one that made her go. And so then she that she's added after that, and then finally Stephen like breaks it up and puts it into the whole fight and everything and yeah.

Travis: 47:00

So then we cut to the next day. Annie's at a art supply store, like a craft store, and she's coming out and sees Joan in the parking lot like loading up her car, and so she goes like Jones at you and then Jones like super excited and she's like ecstatic, like over the top, like her whole personality is like turned around. I mean, she's always been like a very nice, like joyful person, you know, despite like everything that's happened in her life, but like her energy and emotion and like joyful emotion level is through the roof at this point, like compared to how we've seen her before, and she's just like, oh my god, like I'm having like the best day, like something amazing happened and I know it sounds, I know it's gonna sound crazy, but I went to this open seance, so the thing that we saw the flyer for earlier and she's just like, and it was like incredible, like I went there fully skeptical and they had all these like scientists and psychiatrists that were also like skeptics. And I was sitting next to this guy who was like a neuroscientist or something like that and like he, he didn't believe anything and at the end, like he was completely convinced and so was I. And she says that, like they, they talked to some spirit from the 1800s and all this stuff. And Annie's like a little like okay, like whatever you say, but then, like you know, trying to be nice about it and everything, and she says that one of the mediums came to her apartment to do a seance there and that she contacted her grandson and she's like, what like? And like she showed me how to do it and everything and gave me a pamphlet and I just need you to come over like I'll show you. Like, just like, trust me, trust me. And then she's like, and he's like very reluctant but like, okay, like fine, like I'll go with you.

Travis: 49:20

So they, she goes to Joan's apartment and they turn out all the lights and Joan lights this candle and she has a glass, like a drinking glass, upside down, and then they're gonna like put their hand on the glass and they both put their hands on and but they don't apply pressure, kind of like the Ouija board, like how I forget what like the little triangle thing is called, but so it's kind of like that. And then they're gonna ask questions and she's like Louie, like her grandson's name, louie like if you're there, like move the like, move the glass left, I don't know, remember, if it's left for yes, right for no, vice versa, whatever, it doesn't really matter. But just like, can you do that? And then the glass moves a little bit and then, like that freaks Annie out a little bit, like oh my god, like then you know she's. So she starts asking more questions like Louie, are you there? And then the glass is moving like a lot more, and then, like the air is starting to change inside the the room and Annie's hair moves, like the wind blows it like, but it's like it could be the wind blew it or but it kind of looks like someone like grabbed a piece of her hair and moved it. You know, like that's a little more movement than the wind, and so she's like freaking out about that. And then Joan pulls out a chalkboard and chalk and she's like Louie, like can you like write a message on the chalk? And then the chalk starts moving by itself and writing out a message says I love you, grammy, and like it.

Travis: 51:27

The way that they they did this seance was like I don't know, it's just something about the practical movements of everything. It didn't seem like it was like CGI or anything like that, but it was just super well done and super tense and super very good attention building. And Annie's like freaking out and she finally is like okay, like, can we stop? And the way that Joan says like, what, like, is crazy. It's like a complete 180 on her personality. Like, complete, like black and white, like she was a completely different person when she says what. And but then, like it's almost like she catches herself because she is like, oh, like, like it's okay, like we can stop, like yeah, that's fine, that's understandable. I know it's a lot to take in and this than this, you know, but when that initial, what is just very interesting, the way that she says it then we see Annie's driving home.

Travis: 52:46

She's been given like a pamphlet of like all, like the what to say and how to, how to do the seance and how, like the whole family has to be there, like your husband and your son have to be there, and all this stuff. And then, as Annie's leaving, joan says you didn't kill your daughter. And then so Annie's like, okay, like I know, I didn't, you know, but just it kind of sits, weird, like what do you mean by that? So yeah, like I said, she's driving home and like, as she's driving home, there's the click sound like in the car and Annie like freaks out and slams on the brakes and turns around and then obviously there's nothing, no one there, you know so. So she's like super on edge.

Travis: 53:46

We see her sleeping and I don't remember if she's sleeping and wakes up and notices or if she's just awake and notices but there's ants on her pillow. And then so she like gets up and then like they're all over the bed. But then she can see them coming out of the wall and like there's a trail like going down the hallway. So she follows the trail of ants and it leads to Peter's room and we see Peter is like his head is like completely covered with ants, a lot like how Charlie's head on in the middle of the road was covered in ants. And we see she like opens her mouth like why it likes you screaming like, but like screaming in silence. And then we hear Peter's voice, mom. And then she like wakes up.

Travis: 54:48

So she's been like sleepwalking so that the ants were all a dream, and but it like led her back to Peter's room again, like in the other story, and Peter asks her like why are you afraid of me, or why are you scared of me? And she says and immediately regrets when she says it that I never wanted to be your mother. And then like claps your hand to her mouth, like, oh, my god, like I shouldn't have said that. And so Peter's like getting upset, it's like what, like you want me? And like he's starting to cry. And she's like like I, I never wanted to be your mother.

Travis: 55:32

Like I tried to have a miscarriage. I tried to, I tried to stop it. And because he's like, oh, like, then why'd you have me? You know, like I tried to stop it, it's not my fault, and like all this stuff, I tried to have miscarriage and it didn't work. And then he's like you tried to kill me. And she's like no, it's not like that. And then they're like now they look like all wet, like like super sweaty and everything, but then like a match lights and it's like, oh, they're like covered in paint then, or whatever, and it's like everything goes up in flames and then she wakes up again. So it's double dream, dream within a dream, you know.

Travis: 56:11

Then we like see her go to wake up Peter, and she wants to. Yeah, she's like getting everybody downstairs, like I figured it out, like just come downstairs, like we all need to do this together. So she wants to do the seance, so she practice it and whatever, and then got, gets everyone downstairs and obviously, like everyone's a little like okay, like what's going on? This is crazy, what are you talking about? Peter's more on board than Steven, is Like he's the, the bigger skeptic of the three or of the two, because Annie's already had it proven to her.

Travis: 56:58

So they all like gather around the table, they're holding hands, then, like as Annie's like starting to try to contact Charlie, peter's like do you feel that? Like it feels like the air is flexing and then there's a glass breaks in a cabinet behind them and then Annie starts talking in Charlie's voice and is like mom, mom, like I'm scared, like what's going on, mom, this is scary, like Peter, what's going on, like you know. And so it's like Annie's con or conjured Charlie, but not in the way that she expected, because she was trying to get Charlie to write in her sketchbook but instead like her voice was coming through. And then like Steven ends up like throwing water on her to get her to like snap out of it, and Annie has no idea what happened. Like she's like, well, why do you, why the hell did you do that? And like Peter's crying, he's like sobbing because he's freaked out, like he heard his sister's voice coming out of his mom's mouth and like glass was breaking and the air is flexing and everything. So just super freaked out and Stevens like still not convinced on anything. But it's just like why are you doing this? To Peter, you know like I don't know, I don't know how you're not convinced something's going on. You know after all that. But so cut to Peter.

Travis: 58:46

Back at school we see that the weird light thing that happened to Charlie before she saw her grandma, like with the, with the flames and everything that happens to Peter. Then he notices like that there's like a weird light thing going on in the classroom and he's like a little freaked out about it. He looks to the side and sees his reflection in one of the glass doors of the cabinet and his reflection is smiling at him and then like, as he's like looking at the reflection, then the sound happens like right, right in his ear and he like jumps and stands up and the teachers like you, ok, and he's like, yeah, I just need to go to the bathroom and then he like leaves the classroom. Then we see that Peter called, called his dad, and when picked him up from school that he was like scared and wanted to come home, completely freaked out. Annie completely destroys all her models because she gets a voicemail. She can hear it on the answering machine, like hey, like this is the gallery, just want to see how you're doing. And she just like snaps and just breaks all her models and Steve's like what the fuck happened? And she's like I just didn't want to look at them anymore, you know.

Travis: 1:00:29

Then we see Charlie's notebook is drawing by itself. It's laying on her bed and then the pages flip and then like a drawing is appearing there's no like pencil, like floating or anything like that, just like the sketches are just appearing on the page and they're all of Peter Like with his eyes, x, doubt, and he's, it looks like he's screaming. See, peter wakes up and like is hearing the sound again, but then he sees Charlie like in the corner of his room and as he's looking at her her head rolls off, hits the floor and like is like turns into like a volleyball or something, and you know so there's a little freaked out by that. Then we see the dog starts barking in the hallway and the door slams on the dog and then he's like hands come from behind his bed and start like pulling on his head, like, just like grabbing his head, and he's like struggling and screaming and everything like that. And then then we realize that it's Annie behind the bed and it's like she was sleepwalking but like trying to pull his head off. Is that that's what Peter says? Is like you're trying to pull my head off and she's like no, like it's fine, like nothing, like I wasn't doing that, you were just dreaming that or whatever.

Travis: 1:02:18

And then so Annie tries to take the notebook because she knows that it was like drawing, she saw the pictures and everything, and she's like, you know, like something's not right. I think I messed up, like you know, trying to conjure Charlie, so I'm just going to burn the notebook and then be done with all of this. And so she goes to put it in the fire and as the notebook starts to burn, her sleeve starts to catch on fire. And it's not until she grabs the fire, poker, pulls the notebook out and, you know, stomps the fire out, that her sleeve stops burning. So she's like, ok, like I tried to burn it and that didn't work, because then I'm going to catch on fire if I do that. So she goes to see Joan, like to figure out, like, what to do, like hey, like you know, I try to do the sands, and then all this bad stuff's happening and you know, just kind of confront her like what do I do? Like why is this happening? Like did you set me up? You know, whatever she's like, she just needs to go talk to Joan because this is like the only person that she can talk to about this, and she's like pounding on the door trying to get her to come answer and doesn't seem like she's home.

Travis: 1:03:49

But the camera from inside Joan's apartment, we see it kind of pulling back from the door more into the living room and we see that there are shrines with, like the symbols from the telephone pole and the grandma's necklace. We see a picture of Peter with the eyes gouged out. We see, and then we also see all of Charlie's. They say Peter with eyes. Yeah, it's Peter with the eyes gouged out. And then we see Charlie's sculptures, like her toys and stuff. We see the gold bond guy, we see the bird head, all those like how does she have those a and why, like, what is her connection to the symbol and why is Peter's picture there, you know? And then we also see like the triangle that was carved into the grandma's floor in her bedroom is carved into the table, so that's like part of it too. So obviously Joan's not there. So Annie leaves.

Travis: 1:05:10

We see Peter at school and he's sitting out at like a lunch table but like outside of the school, and we hear His name being called. He hears his name being called Peter. He looks across the street and it's Joan, like yelling for him. He's never met Joan so he doesn't know who she is. And she's like Peter, I expel you. And she starts saying these words that we've seen carved into the wallpaper around the house because I forgot to mention it was the satin. And then there's a couple other ones that were carved in different rooms and they kind of just were sprinkled throughout the movie. And she starts to say some of the words and she's like get out and so, but no one else. It's like a crowded outside but no one else is seeing her or hearing her except for Peter. So that's freaking him out even more.

Travis: 1:06:20

We see Annie back at the house and she's going through a box of her mom's stuff. She picks up this book and she's scrolling through it and find some pages that are highlighted and there's a picture of like a guy on a horse or Camel, I forget, and it says it's payment and he's like one of the kings of hell and that payment needs a male body, like he prefers a male body. And then there's this photo album and so the male body thing. Sorry, before I go on to the photo album, the male body thing. That explains the throwaway line earlier where Charlie says that grandma wanted her to be a boy. So Annie picks up the photo album she's going through that. There is a picture of Joan in there. So Joan was a friend of her mom's. She had no idea Joan never mentioned this and she's never seen Joan in her life before this group thing. Then there's these pictures of like her mom as part of these rituals where they're like showering her with gold coins and stuff like that, so just like a lot of weird stuff. And then there's also. Then we see yeah, this is also in the photo album there's pictures of like all these people in this cult, this group or whatever, are praying to the family portrait of Annie, steve, peter and Charlie. It just like this, like a family one that you put in like a Christmas card or something. They're just all bowing down to this picture. So you know, that's that freaks her out, obviously.

Travis: 1:08:27

Cut back to Peter at school. He's back in the classroom and he sees like the light again and notices it. But it cuts away from that. And we see that Steven has gotten an email from the cemetery and he opens the email and then there's pictures of the grave being like oh wait, maybe Annie sees the email. I don't remember, sorry, I don't, but OK, anyways, an email from the cemetery comes in and the grave has been desecrated, obviously like from before. But now we actually see pictures. We see that the grave was dug up completely.

Travis: 1:09:25

You see any go to the attic and she opens it. As soon as she opens. It's one of those ones where you pull it down from the ceiling. As soon as she opens, the attic door flies, come out and so obviously like OK, like what's going on? And she like coughs, like there's a bad smell up there, like OK, what is it? She goes up there and in the corner is presumably her mom's body, but missing the head. So we don't know for sure whose body it is. It could be Charlie's, because she doesn't have a head, but later Annie says I'm pretty sure it was my mom's body, you know. Then, also on the wall of the attic is a is the symbol from before, but it's drawn in blood on the attic wall, or maybe it's the, the ceiling, but either way, symbols and blood.

Travis: 1:10:26

Cut back to Peter in school.

Travis: 1:10:29

He hears the sound behind him and then jumps again and but then all of a sudden his hand flies like straight up in the air, like almost, like something grabbed it and was like pulling him up, and like the teacher notices, like Peter, you want to have something to say, but then, like notice is something's wrong. We see Peter's face. It looks like almost like not only is his arm being pulled up by an unseen force, but like his, like he's not breathing and like almost like someone, like fish hooked his uh, his mouth, you know, and is like pulling up on his cheek and because his cheek like is like puffed out, he's like shaking and uh, like his eyes are watering and stuff like almost like he's like being punched too, almost like like he got punched, and so he's got his arm like straight up in the air and the one's like looking at him like, oh my God, like what's going on, like this is weird. And then all of a sudden he like like he gets pulled back and then his head slams into the desk twice, like face first, like smash his nose, head slams in the desk and then he finally, like it's almost like he got released from whatever was doing that, and he like flies back into the chair and he's like, oh, it's like screaming and crying, like what's going on? And everyone's like shocked. We see, uh, the phone ringing back at the house but Annie is outside in the rain like processes in everything she saw or looking for something, we're not really sure, but she's out in the rain so she doesn't hear the phone ring.

Travis: 1:12:17

So then we see Steve get the call from the school at his office and so he goes and picks up Peter and he's taking him home. Peter's all bandaged up on his nose. They hit a red light. They're stopped at a red light and Steve just breaks down crying, like this is this is where he has hit his breaking point. He's been trying to keep it together this whole time and he finally just hit the like just overflowed, you know. And then he just releases right there in the car and presumably Peter's like all drugged up on whatever pain meds, so he's just like out of it in the back seat and this is Steve's time to just cry it out.

Travis: 1:13:05

You know, at the red light, well, it turned green and he's still crying and everything, but there's no one behind him. He's pulling into the driveway and he's out there and she's like acting like super erratic. She's like, oh my God, what's going on? And then, like following the car and like looking in the window, she sees Peter. Steve's like not having any of it, he's like he's hit his breaking point not only with the emotions but also with her, because he's just like not under, not understanding where she's coming from, and she's also given him very few reason to believe her, you know.

Travis: 1:13:51

So Annie helps Steve carry Peter to his bed. They get him in bed, she tells Steve about the attic and he's like what are you talking about. And so he goes and opens the attic. He goes up there and is like oh my God, like you know, we hear him. We don't see, we don't see him up there, but we hear him and he comes down. He thinks, cause he got that email and everything, he thinks that Annie is the one that dug up the body because she's been acting so erratic and everything.

Travis: 1:14:28

And he also says, like that's what you've been doing. When you say you're going to the movies, you're going to you're digging up her body and stuff like that. And she's like no, no, no, because you know that this is where her lying about, even though she was not doing that. Obviously we like, from what we know, like she was just going to that grief counseling thing and but because she lied about that, then that makes her look more suspicious, you know. And then she's telling Steve that she tried to burn the book but then her arm caught on fire and that. But I mean she's not doing a very good job of explaining it because she's just so like panicked and worried and emotional and everything. So like, as you would be, like I'm not saying like, oh, like she's a woman being emotional, I just like this is just how it is for her.

Travis: 1:15:31

And so she's trying to explain it to him. She's just like not really believing anything and like almost like he's not even taking it in. And she's just like no, like I tried to burn it, but I can't, like I think it has to be you, like you have to burn the, the diary, or not the diary, the notebook. And she's just like begging him and saying, like I love you, like I'm so sorry about all of this, I love you so much, like you're the love of my life, and like he just can't bring himself to do it. And so like he's like nope, like I'm not going to do this, like you need help and I'm not going to like play your games anymore, like I'm done with this. And she's just like okay, like fine. And then she grabs the notebook and she throws it in, thinking like okay, like I have.

Travis: 1:16:28

You know, her thought process is I have to sacrifice myself for the greater good, you know, because I just want this to be over and I want him to be okay and I want Peter to be okay. So she thinks, like fine, I'm going to sacrifice myself. Throw the notebook in. She throws it in Steve Burson, the flames. It's like immediately full, fully engulfed in flames. Not like the little flame on the sleeve like that she got earlier, she's just completely up all the way, burns fully. And as she's screaming, like while he's burning, or like the silent scream like before, like in of shock, we see the light from before kind of envelop her and as it like envelop her, she like goes into, like a trance, like almost, like she's become possessed by this light. So now is like things have been crazy. Now this is where it gets turned up to a hundred.

Travis: 1:17:40

We see Peter in his bed. He wakes up and he's kind of like, you know, because he's been asleep on from the pain meds and everything and can slam, slamming his face in the desk and everything. So he wakes up. He's like mom, dad, you know, and he's not getting any answer. And it takes a while for you to real, like us as the viewers, to realize that Annie is up in the, basically like Spider-Man, into the ceiling, like the top corner, like the top of the wall corner and the ceiling of Peter's room, and Peter's not clocking her and it takes a while for us as the viewers to clock her, but she's just like up there like hanging out in the corner and it's like, okay, what the hell's going on? And it's dark. You know the sun's gone down at this point, so that's why it takes us, takes you a while to like notice her there and then we get like a kind of a more of a close up on Peter's face as he's like looking around and he looks like away from the door. And as he's looking away from the door, this is where you'd see fucking Annie like swim through the air.

Travis: 1:19:08

It's weird, like it's the craziest looking. What I assume has to be a practical effect for it to look this good, because, like I hate in movies where they do like the, we're like a monster or zombie, something like that ghost like moves to unnaturally, to where it's like you know, like there's a difference between practical unnatural movements and digital unnatural movements to where I don't know it's. It's closer, because uncanny valley is like the when it's like digital and it's too close to real life, but you, like your brain knows that it's not and but it's just so close the. There's something about this practical effect and it's a lot of what you get in like the exorcist as well, because that was all done practically, and I think that's what makes that so disturbing.

Travis: 1:20:16

I'm going to spend way too much time on this, on this stupid one effect, this one scene, but it's the one that stuck with me. The first time I saw this movie I literally like in the theater, I went by myself to go see it and like just out loud, like I'm not. I'm not usually like an out loud reactor, especially when I'm alone. But when I saw her like float through the air and I just out loud said, like what the fuck? And someone else heard me and like started giggling. But like, yeah, I'm not an out loud reactor, especially when I'm alone, because who am I saying it to? But like it was just gave me such a reaction that I like had to express it out loud. But yeah, so she like floats out of the room like almost like she's swimming. So super weird, super creepy, great effect, love it Maybe. Like my number one horror movie effect of all time.

Travis: 1:21:16

Peter gets up. He goes downstairs At some point, I think when he's still upstairs, you hear like a loud thud, but we're not really sure what it is. He goes downstairs, the piano's knocked over. That's something we hadn't seen happen before. So I assume that's what the big thud is. He's down there, he goes to the, goes to the living room where he finds his dad's burnt corpse. You know, I find his dad got Uncle Oen and Barude and so obviously, like he's freaking out a little bit about that, like not a little bit, he's freaking out a lot about that.

Travis: 1:21:59

While he's looking at his dad, we once again see Annie up in the ceiling, but she's like higher up and it's she's in the background, like a little out of focus, and Peter's up close, in the foreground. He hears a like, hears a sound or like, feels, like eyes on him. We see a naked man in the dark doorway smiling at him. I think it's the same guy that was smiling at Charlie at the funeral, but I'm not 100% sure. But it looks like the same guy, like same build, similar smile and face, but obviously at the funeral he had clothes on and it was lit differently.

Travis: 1:22:54

Then, like, right as he notices that guy in the doorway, then he turns and Annie is, runs out of the corner and starts chasing him, chases him up the stairs and he's just like mom, like I'm sorry, like you know, he luckily runs up. Well, I don't know about. Luckily he runs up the ladder for the attic, he gets in the attic and closes the door, like just in time, and then there's pounding on the on the attic door. You know that he's like sitting on and he's like pulling it close and everything, and he's like balling. He's like mom, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's okay, like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, like, just stop, like.

Travis: 1:23:45

And then we cut to Annie, who is on like upside Well, you know the attic doors on the ceiling. She is on all fours on the attic door, pounding her head into it. That's what the pounding is and it's just like. It's super violent, it's super like, just super fast, like unnaturally fast, like pounding her head, like oh, that's another, like very that. That's an image that sticks with you too in this one. And then she finally stops.

Travis: 1:24:26

He gets up from the, the you know the attic door, the ladder, and he's looking around because he notices that there's like the flies and there's a bad smell. He looks around, we see the outline of the, the corpse that was there, and it's almost like sawdust was dropped on the body and then the body was removed and then the outline remained, because there's like, it's very like powdery and grainy around like the outline of a corpse that was there, but there's also candles around it and symbols and everything. And then we see more naked people just standing in the attic smiling at Peter. He notices this. Then we hear like a squelching sound, like a, and Peter looks up and we see Annie floating in like the crest of the attic because it's, you know, under the roof. So she's up in the crest and she has like something like a piano wire, something like that, uh, and she's just going back and forth like a sign through her own neck and just back and forth, back and forth, just like looking down at Peter and um, I think this is where he notices the naked people and jumps out the window because his mom saw in her own head off and there's, you know, weird naked people up in the attic and a outline of a dead body and flies and symbols and everything and it's all too much for him. He jumps out the window and lands in the garden with a thud and then we get a slow, slow pan down to him as we continue to hear the sound of Annie sign her own head off, and then the sound stops and we hear a thud and like the head rolling. And then we see the light coming down from the attic window into Peter Lane, presumably unconscious, in the garden, and the light goes from upstairs into him. And then we also see a shadow, which is looks like it could be Annie's shadow, floating above him too, like away from the window, and then he gets up. We see Annie's headless body float from the attic up into the treehouse, just floating up into there, and then Peter gets up and we get a close-up of his face as he does the click. So this is where I gathered that it was Charlie's soul, spirit, whatever that possessed Annie. You know that's what took over her and then, once her, her body was used for its purpose, went down into him. It might be more complicated than that and I'll get into that a little bit after I finish off the.

Travis: 1:28:15

We're almost at the end here. So yeah, then he's walking over to the tree house, or Charlie, whatever. We see that the dog has been killed. We see the dogs dead body. We see more naked people in the woods, like just hanging out on the edge of the woods, climbs the ladder up into the treehouse. There are people bowed down with their heads bowed on the floor. It is like very well lit with a bunch of candles.

Travis: 1:28:54

Everywhere we see more of the symbols. Everywhere we see a shrine with it's almost like a full-size one of Charlie's figures and the head is Charlie's decapitated head. On this figure it has a crown and all this stuff. We see the corpse of Annie's mom bowed down, you know, and that's missing the head. We see Annie's now corpse bowed down and blood pouring out of where her head was, since hers is more fresh. We see that basically everybody that's bowed down is naked, except for the two dead bodies and one other person who stands up and comes over to Peter, slash Charlie, and starts to comfort as because looking down at the, they're looking down at the bodies like, and kind of, almost like, worried and noticing.

Travis: 1:30:02

And then we hear Jones voice this is Joan and she's like oh, charlie, it's okay, like this is all, like you know, like this is a good thing, you know. And then she says that you are payment the seventh king of hell I don't know if it's seventh, but and then goes into the speech like, like we got rid of your female body and gave you this new healthy male body that is fit for you. And then, like, after this whole speech and then like we reject the Trinity and like bring others to you and like all this stuff, like this really like grotesque, disturbing, like very uncomfortable, especially if you like have a religious background. It's very like oh, like and yeah. And then they just start chanting like hail payment, hail payment. And then cut to black and credits. And then we will zoom out and we see like the whole tree house but like surrounded by black. It's pretty cool, real cool shot. But then, yeah, ends on that hail payment and then goes to credits with this like oddly up, uplifting, out of character song for everything you just witnessed and oh man, just an insane movie.

Travis: 1:31:49

Yeah, so the way I gathered what happened is that this entity, payment, was supposed to take over Charlie all along, which is why the grandma was like so obsessed with Charlie. But because car, because payment prefers a male body, they needed to correct that is how Joan put it and so they needed so if this was all orchestrated either by a well, obviously there is supernatural things going on, because some of that stuff couldn't happen just from a crazy cult. You know, obviously, like you can have some crazy people, believe some crazy things, but that isn't explain how Annie could be floating and stuff like that, you know. So, yeah, this whole thing has been orchestrated from the beginning. Charlie's death, like cuz, her spirit needed to be able to leave that body and go into a male body and her brother being the ideal one for whatever reason.

Travis: 1:33:19

And yeah, just just a crazy movie, lots to think about, lots of memorable, iconic, just living in my head forever scenes. And I just watched I mean, I watched it last year, but I just rewatched the shutter that service did a 101 scariest movie moments and which I think the moment that they picked was Charlie getting decapitated. But that was like the number three scariest movie or whatever for that countdown, which is saying something for how new it is. I mean, it was only 2018, you know, and with like a, with a year like 2020 in the middle that you know, not not a lot, like obviously a lot of movies came out, but in terms of the whole span of horror movies, like that's not a lot of time from 2018 and now to have that reason of a movie be number three. And then what? Two? And man, what was two? I don't remember, think two was the thing. And then number one was Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which is that, yeah, that one's up there, that one's pretty scary. Yeah, yeah, just a great movie.

Travis: 1:35:02

I'm losing steam, I'm very tired, it is very late, but, yeah, I hope you guys at least enjoyed my rambling about this movie. If you hadn't seen the movie, if you know, I understand, like if you didn't want to watch this one but just wanted to hear someone describe it in a less scary setting, then I hope this worked for you and I hope I filled that void of not seeing this movie. And but if you are someone who likes horror movies, I hope you did see this one. If, if you're on the social media, like find the the post for this, and if you have a movie that you think is scarier than hereditary, let me know. Like I know I'm not that I want to like argue it or anything like that or have like a debate like I. If there is one that's scarier that I haven't seen, I want to see it.

Travis: 1:36:03

You know I I love horror movies. I'm getting more and more into them over the years, but you know, from the first time I saw one to now, like I just keep gaining and gaining and gaining more knowledge of them and more love for them and this one just, it's just an all-time favorite from the moment I saw it. And then leave you with one final story, the of the first time I saw it in the theater. As I was exiting the theater, one of the employees that was waiting to go into clean the theater. As I exited alone into the hallway, I hear behind me the sound and I turned around real quick and saw a guy there with the broom and everything and I just laughed and I was like, okay, you got me. And then yeah, but yeah, love this movie so much.

Travis: 1:37:04

Thank you guys for listening. Stick around. For the rest of the month I'll do a couple more horror movies and then back to some regular stuff for the month of November and then obviously get some Christmas and holiday movies in the month of December. But thank you guys for listening. Follow me and this podcast at Instagram. At movies they're pretty good, with no ex, no punctuation in that at just as it's spelled, minus the punctuation. Thanks for listening. Please like, rate and subscribe if you haven't done that. It helps out quite a bit and hope to hear or hope you guys listen next week. Thanks, bye.